I really appreciate this buff to freighters, because they sure need it. They are the backbone of industry while being arguably one of the most boring 'professions' to do. It would be great if this trend would continue up until the broken mechanics are removed completely from the game (bumping, friendly webbing) and adding some fun factors for long route freighter hauls as well. That is for another topic, though

I like the idea of making dcus passive, needing to remember to activate that thing is sometimes a pain. Not totally sure about all the implications of moving part of dcu hull bonus to all ship hulls... we'll see.

One thing confuses me here: people are saying jump freighters in highsec are untouchable. What am I missing? I thought JFs could only jump to lowsec, and don't JFs generally have less ehp than t1 freighters? What makes them untouchable? I've never flown one (out of my price range :), so no direct experience.

Properly flown DSTs are very hard to kill (catch), that much is quite true.

Demonstrably false. Instalocking suicide tackle and a bumper renders a webber useless.

The only way you could be somewhat untouchable is if you had an in-range cyno to jump to, which generally you don't and is the case regardless of whether or not JF HP changes. JFs in general aren't immune to ganking as shown by the JFs that have been ganked.

They didn't have influence over 30. The ganking and the looting are two separate but related mechanics. 30 gankers cannot be stopped from ganking by one person. Once the gank had occurred though, it was 1 looter vs 1 wreck destroyer at a minimum. Now it's 1 looter vs 2 wreck destroyers at a minimum.

I doubt it, incursions require more than warping to target, locking it up and hitting F1.

id also like to point out regarding the numbers quoted re ships required to gank a freighter, if you look at codes killboard , you'll notice that they have a lot of 'awox' kills of their own gank ships, this is all surplus dps after the feighter has popped , and done to pad their kb, and to try denying bounties to those who hunt them .

I don't have to. Since RFF can only provide data for their own freighter movements, which are by their very nature only a subset of all freighter movements in New Eden, *you* need to prove that the data is a meaningful representation. Since you would need to access the full data available -- which I somehow doubt CCP has allowed you to do -- to offer proof, you're in a bit of a pickle.

Now a quick note on suicide ganking and the impact that these changes will have.

We view ganking as one of many normal game systems that needs tweaking and balancing from time to time. Changes to the balance around ganking doesn't mean we have any intentions on removing it (if we wanted to do that, we easily could through direct methods).

In a lot of ways, keeping balance in this system is much like park rangers maintaining balance between wolf and elk populations. We keep an eye on how the whole ecosystem is developing and make tweaks as nessesary. Sometimes we might protect the corpses of dead elk from vultures so the wolves can feed in peace. Sometimes we might put some light body armor on the elk so that the wolves need to pick their targets more carefully. And I think I've officially taken this analogy too far.

You gankers are a clever bunch and we have no doubt that you'll adapt and do just fine. Our previous changes didn't kill ganking, these changes won't kill ganking and our future changes won't kill ganking either.

We're going to keep making changes that we believe benefit the game as a whole, which needs to remain healthy for both sides of this debate to thrive.

Now a quick note on suicide ganking and the impact that these changes will have.

We view ganking as one of many normal game systems that needs tweaking and balancing from time to time. Changes to the balance around ganking doesn't mean we have any intentions on removing it (if we wanted to do that, we easily could through direct methods).

In a lot of ways, keeping balance in this system is much like park rangers maintaining balance between wolf and elk populations. We keep an eye on how the whole ecosystem is developing and make tweaks as nessesary. Sometimes we might protect the corpses of dead elk from vultures so the wolves can feed in peace. Sometimes we might put some light body armor on the elk so that the wolves need to pick their targets more carefully. And I think I've officially taken this analogy too far.

You gankers are a clever bunch and we have no doubt that you'll adapt and do just fine. Our previous changes didn't kill ganking, these changes won't kill ganking and our future changes won't kill ganking either.

We're going to keep making changes that we believe benefit the game as a whole, which needs to remain healthy for both sides of this debate to thrive.

Ooh, how very dramatic. I think their servers will cope.

2/ if i already have a dcu fitted before the change, no change ... for me ... but all my targets with no dcu will now earn a +33% hull hp ... so who got a nerf?

You mean the LOW profit mining and low profit hauling???

The real profit is in null and low. and...if there is a profit problem then that has nothing to do with Damage Control changes or EHP, but again, the free isk printed in hi-sec should be lowered. You miss my whole part about hi-sec being a starting ground. Ok - I see your point it is a safe haven for goods from null/low ONCE it gets here. But what you miss is that CCP is adding risk vs reward by drawing players out to null, Low, and Wormholes.

THEY HAVE THE STATISTICS. They know the level of ISK that is printed in high. They are okay with it and tweak it. They are also obviously okay with people moving their well earned loot easier in hi-sec.

All this CODE griefer crying bull$hit does nothing to advance this thread.

You can call me a SOW or whatever immature name you want to use. Sticks and stones...but you are not adding to the conversation or discussing fittings, the meta, and other aspects.

CCP (Fozzie et al) has spoken. They know the balance of the wolves versus the prey that they want. QUIT CRYING and name calling and get over it!!